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Walter Sobchak, Esq.'s avatar

"Russia: A Concise History spans the entire 1000-year period from Kievan Rus and Novgorod the Great to the fall of the Soviet Union."

I shall repeat that the Russian Historiography that draws a straight line between the Kievan Rus and the Romanov and Soviet Empires is just plain garbage.

The Russians have trotted out their nonsense historiography of the supposed continuity between the Kievian Rus and Moscow as they gear up to invade Ukraine, one more time.

The weakness of the claim is exposed by:

"The Horde: How the Mongols Changed the World Hardcover" by Marie Favereau • April 20, 2021

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674244214/geneexpressio-20

Who you interviewed earlier in 2021:

"Marie Favereau: the Golden Horde and world history: The light out of heathen Tartary?"

https://razib.substack.com/p/marie-favereau-the-golden-horde-and

The important point to remember is that the Mongols destroyed the Kievean Rus in a series of battles between 1237 and 1242. At that time Moscow was a village of mud huts. Daniel inherited Moscow from his father the kynaz of Vladimir and became its first kynaz in 1263. At that time Kiev lay in ruins.

Moscow grew up as a vassal of the golden Horde who also ruled the territory of Kiev. In the 14th Century Kiev was seized by the Lithuanians. In the 16th century, Lithuania merged with Poland. It was the middle of the 17th century, 400 years after the Mongol conquest before Moscow took Kiev from Poland-Lithuania.

4 centuries is not continuity.

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Douglas Knight's avatar

I guess this belonged on the previous TWS, but about Eric Kaufmann on religious fertility, he almost but didn't quite say that the key point about religion is insularity.

The question of whether the religious are fertile is different from the question of whether the fertile are religious. Selection works on variation; and insularity is pretty import to cultural variation. A group probably needs to be somewhat insular to be identified at all and its ability to impart culture different from the ambient society requires insularity. So the most and least fertile groups are probably going to be insular for pretty general, abstract reasons.

"Religion" is a murky word and this made me wonder whether the common usage simply means "insular culture." Some metrics of religiosity are much more clearly about adhesion than others, for example frequency of attendance vs frequency of prayer. I think the latter is still predictive of fertility, but I'd guess it's less predictive.

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