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“At the Battle of Mohacs, 14,000 Hungarian soldiers died, 1,000 nobles were killed, and 2,000 captured prisoners were executed.”

‘Standard’ (tggp) history is presented in the wiki and similar ‘believable’ sources. It was entrenched in our consciousness the maxim that Christian Europe was at war against the powerful Turkish Islamic empire, when Turkey, through the Balkans, began to conquer Hungary and endanger Austria. But, the reality was a bit different - Christian Europe (France, England, Poland, the Venetian Republic and the Vatican with Pope Clement VII) formed a Turkish coalition in the 16th century and enabled Suleiman the Magnificent to conquer Hungary. Why? Well, very simply - that Turkey would, since then, threaten German countries every year. Again, why? So that the Germans would not have the strength to conquer countries on other continents and that this ‘civilizational’ business would remain, mostly, for the English and the French. And when the Serbs, with the uprising and with the help of Austria, expelled the Turks from the Serbian lands three times, the English and the French attacked Austria in the west and sent their troops to the Turks through the port of Thessaloniki.

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I appreciate the detail in this post and your clarification of the Huns vs. the Magyars. I am half Hungarian myself and always assumed the English word Hungary derived from the Huns.

I had my Hungarian grandmother tested by 23&me a few years ago. A Budapest native from the upper class, she described her ancestry as a mix of old stock Hungarian nobility and 18th/19th century German immigrant. Her results largely confirmed that Hungarian/German mix, but it also estimated that she is 0.3% Siberian. Their chromosome painting feature shows this ancestry as coming from two segments on chromosome 3. Curiously, I seem to have inherited one of these segments, but 23&me shows this on my profile as likely Mongolian/Manchurian instead.

Is it possible their test could pick up ancestry going back to the Magyar or Mongol invasions? Or would this have to come from a more recent eastern ancestor (maybe via a Russian immigrant)?

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